
All In All Out Podcast
All In All Out Podcast
Expert interviews, success, stories, and policy discussions


Season 2
Season 2

Episode 10: The Ostara Initiative talks about prison birth work across the country
Sep 10, 2024
67:38
Erica Gerrity and Shanita Lawrence joined Shannon to talk about experiences giving birth in prison; designing and managing a prison doula program that now operates in Minnesota, Alabama, Oregon, the federal system, and soon Wisconsin.

Episode 10: The Ostara Initiative talks about prison birth work across the country
Sep 10, 2024
67:38
Erica Gerrity and Shanita Lawrence joined Shannon to talk about experiences giving birth in prison; designing and managing a prison doula program that now operates in Minnesota, Alabama, Oregon, the federal system, and soon Wisconsin.

Episode 8: Cecelia Klingele breaks down the criminal legal system in WI
Jul 30, 2024
94:31
Cecelia Klingele and Shannon discuss Truth in Sentencing, the difficulty of focusing on crimeless revocation, the fact that incarceration promotes the exact opposite of what’s needed to succeed upon release, and more.

Episode 8: Cecelia Klingele breaks down the criminal legal system in WI
Jul 30, 2024
94:31
Cecelia Klingele and Shannon discuss Truth in Sentencing, the difficulty of focusing on crimeless revocation, the fact that incarceration promotes the exact opposite of what’s needed to succeed upon release, and more.

Episode 7: State Representatives Talk Criminal Legal System Reform in Wisconsin
Jul 15, 2024
44:15
Now former state representatives Evan Goyke and Dora Drake talk with Shannon about strategies, experiences, and hopes around criminal legal system reform in Wisconsin.

Episode 7: State Representatives Talk Criminal Legal System Reform in Wisconsin
Jul 15, 2024
44:15
Now former state representatives Evan Goyke and Dora Drake talk with Shannon about strategies, experiences, and hopes around criminal legal system reform in Wisconsin.

Episode 6: Shannon talks agnostic/atheist formerly incarcerated success stories with Dominee & Matthew
Jul 2, 2024
66:52
Dominee Meek and Matthew Wick exchange stories about all of their journeys through over 60 years in the system without believing in god: what they learned, how it limited their path, and how it impacts their reentry journey.

Episode 6: Shannon talks agnostic/atheist formerly incarcerated success stories with Dominee & Matthew
Jul 2, 2024
66:52
Dominee Meek and Matthew Wick exchange stories about all of their journeys through over 60 years in the system without believing in god: what they learned, how it limited their path, and how it impacts their reentry journey.

Episode 5: Ruben Gaona Talks Home Ownership & Entrepreneurship Post Incarceration
Jun 18, 2024
50:25
Shannon talks with Ruben Gaona about the pros and cons of entrepreneurship versus employment and rental versus homeownership for people with criminal records, particularly those still on “paper.”

Episode 5: Ruben Gaona Talks Home Ownership & Entrepreneurship Post Incarceration
Jun 18, 2024
50:25
Shannon talks with Ruben Gaona about the pros and cons of entrepreneurship versus employment and rental versus homeownership for people with criminal records, particularly those still on “paper.”

Episode 4: Simmone Kilgore Talks “Second Chance” Language and How to Carry Shame
Jun 4, 2024
38:58
Simmone Kilgore LPC, an experienced trauma therapist talks with Shannon about "Second Chance" language, shame, and her career. She knows incarceration closely in her family.

Episode 4: Simmone Kilgore Talks “Second Chance” Language and How to Carry Shame
Jun 4, 2024
38:58
Simmone Kilgore LPC, an experienced trauma therapist talks with Shannon about "Second Chance" language, shame, and her career. She knows incarceration closely in her family.

Episode 3: Kaleigh Atkinson & Shannon Talk Correcting the Narrative
May 21, 2024
39:31
Narrative work is foundational in not only the criminal legal system but in life overall. Kaleigh Atkinson and Shannon discuss the origins of the Correcting the Narrative campaign, how it has evolved over time, what they have learned, and where it is going next.

Episode 3: Kaleigh Atkinson & Shannon Talk Correcting the Narrative
May 21, 2024
39:31
Narrative work is foundational in not only the criminal legal system but in life overall. Kaleigh Atkinson and Shannon discuss the origins of the Correcting the Narrative campaign, how it has evolved over time, what they have learned, and where it is going next.

Episode 1: Adam Procell and Shannon Ross go to Belize
Apr 23, 2024
63:18
What started out as an exploration of the possibilities of traveling while on paper (extended supervision) ultimately turned into a legitimate research project ending with Adam Procell and Shannon Ross traveling to the only non-profit prison in the world located in Belize.

Episode 1: Adam Procell and Shannon Ross go to Belize
Apr 23, 2024
63:18
What started out as an exploration of the possibilities of traveling while on paper (extended supervision) ultimately turned into a legitimate research project ending with Adam Procell and Shannon Ross traveling to the only non-profit prison in the world located in Belize.
Season 1
Season 1
Episode 13: Marlon Chamberlain - what does it mean to be fully free upon release
Feb 10, 2022
46:37

Marlon has an established track record of creating effective coalitions, including passing the largest sealing expansion law in the United States and leading a voter registration campaign, which registered over 1,000 people with records to vote.
Episode 13: Marlon Chamberlain - what does it mean to be fully free upon release
Feb 10, 2022
46:37
Marlon has an established track record of creating effective coalitions, including passing the largest sealing expansion law in the United States and leading a voter registration campaign, which registered over 1,000 people with records to vote.

Episode 12: Guy Hamilton-Smith - Why the sex offender registry makes us less safe and the "carve out" mentality (selective empathy) makes us hypocrites
Feb 1, 2022
45:22

Guy Hamilton-Smith is a 2019 JustLeadershipUSA fellow, civil rights activist, and writer. Most recently, he was the legal fellow at the Sex Offense Litigation and Policy Resource Center at the Mitchell Hamline School of law where his work focused on civil rights litigation.
Episode 12: Guy Hamilton-Smith - Why the sex offender registry makes us less safe and the "carve out" mentality (selective empathy) makes us hypocrites
Feb 1, 2022
45:22
Guy Hamilton-Smith is a 2019 JustLeadershipUSA fellow, civil rights activist, and writer. Most recently, he was the legal fellow at the Sex Offense Litigation and Policy Resource Center at the Mitchell Hamline School of law where his work focused on civil rights litigation.

Episode 11: Artie Gonzales - Lessons from a Lifer: a rising humanizer in Hollywood
Nov 3, 2021
52:39

Artie Gonzales went from a life sentence, including 8 straight years at the infamous Pelican Bay super max, to now a member of big Hollywood productions and a rising star in the movement to correct the narrative about people with criminal records via media and entertainment.
Episode 11: Artie Gonzales - Lessons from a Lifer: a rising humanizer in Hollywood
Nov 3, 2021
52:39
Artie Gonzales went from a life sentence, including 8 straight years at the infamous Pelican Bay super max, to now a member of big Hollywood productions and a rising star in the movement to correct the narrative about people with criminal records via media and entertainment.

Episode 10: Brian Koehn - a prison warden for 28 years explains why he is investing his life savings to correct corrections
Oct 27, 2021
51:28

Brian Koehn spent 28 years in the private prison industry with a reputation as a "fixer." But during his career, he become more and more disillusioned with the destructiveness and waste of the system, leading to a 180 degree turn in his career toward humanizing and helping.
Episode 10: Brian Koehn - a prison warden for 28 years explains why he is investing his life savings to correct corrections
Oct 27, 2021
51:28
Brian Koehn spent 28 years in the private prison industry with a reputation as a "fixer." But during his career, he become more and more disillusioned with the destructiveness and waste of the system, leading to a 180 degree turn in his career toward humanizing and helping.

Episode 9: Dialo Orr - A 100+ year sentence and one of the best humans you will ever meet
Jul 9, 2021
44:15

Dialo Orr has been incarcerated for 25 years on a 100+ year sentence. His journey from angry and lost, to sick and tired, to mighty healer is just one example of the grace and human beauty we neglect and disincentivize in jails in prisons.
Episode 9: Dialo Orr - A 100+ year sentence and one of the best humans you will ever meet
Jul 9, 2021
44:15
Dialo Orr has been incarcerated for 25 years on a 100+ year sentence. His journey from angry and lost, to sick and tired, to mighty healer is just one example of the grace and human beauty we neglect and disincentivize in jails in prisons.

Episode 8: Janos Marton, the National Director of Dream Corps JUSTICE, discusses the nuances of reform vs abolition
Jul 1, 2021
38:56

As an experienced civil rights lawyer and long-time humanizer, Janos Marton is an influential and respected leader in safety and justice work nationally. This discussion on reform and abolition is an excellent way to better understand the complexity of the issue.
Episode 8: Janos Marton, the National Director of Dream Corps JUSTICE, discusses the nuances of reform vs abolition
Jul 1, 2021
38:56
As an experienced civil rights lawyer and long-time humanizer, Janos Marton is an influential and respected leader in safety and justice work nationally. This discussion on reform and abolition is an excellent way to better understand the complexity of the issue.

Episode 7: David Carlson discusses decarceration efforts in Eau Claire and his new holistic treatment operation We Adapt
Jun 24, 2021
43:14

David Carlson fought in the military, spent time in prison, and has significant experience as a humanizer in the reentry/reform/decarceration work with the ACLU in Eau Claire. His background and experience led to some powerful commentary during our conversation.
Episode 7: David Carlson discusses decarceration efforts in Eau Claire and his new holistic treatment operation We Adapt
Jun 24, 2021
43:14
David Carlson fought in the military, spent time in prison, and has significant experience as a humanizer in the reentry/reform/decarceration work with the ACLU in Eau Claire. His background and experience led to some powerful commentary during our conversation.

Episode 6: Dawn and Carmen are two shining examples of collaboration in Wisconsin
May 27, 2021
37:44

Dawn Barnett of Running Rebels and Carmen Pitre of Sojourner Truth House are shining examples of the self-awareness, commitment, and power of collaboration. They share fantastic stories and insights about giving up control and sharing the spotlight for the larger purpose.
Episode 6: Dawn and Carmen are two shining examples of collaboration in Wisconsin
May 27, 2021
37:44
Dawn Barnett of Running Rebels and Carmen Pitre of Sojourner Truth House are shining examples of the self-awareness, commitment, and power of collaboration. They share fantastic stories and insights about giving up control and sharing the spotlight for the larger purpose.

Episode 5: Dr. Darren Wheelock on why recidivism stats are very misleading or flawed
May 20, 2021
42:14

Dr. Darren Wheelock is, among other things, a criminal justice professor at Marquette University who has studied recidivism for a number of years. We spoke about the way this widely accepted barometer of success or failure is misleading to say the least.
Episode 5: Dr. Darren Wheelock on why recidivism stats are very misleading or flawed
May 20, 2021
42:14
Dr. Darren Wheelock is, among other things, a criminal justice professor at Marquette University who has studied recidivism for a number of years. We spoke about the way this widely accepted barometer of success or failure is misleading to say the least.

Episode 4: Daniel Forkkio, the CEO of Represent Justice on the power of correcting the narrative
May 13, 2021
34:18

Daniel Forkkio is the CEO of Represent Justice, whose mission is to turn stories into action to change the justice system, while building the capacity of system-impacted communities.
Episode 4: Daniel Forkkio, the CEO of Represent Justice on the power of correcting the narrative
May 13, 2021
34:18
Daniel Forkkio is the CEO of Represent Justice, whose mission is to turn stories into action to change the justice system, while building the capacity of system-impacted communities.

Episode 3: Roy Rogers - interview from prison about his successes and insights
Apr 29, 2021
35:52

This week we talk to Roy Rogers. Roy is what’s known as a j-lifer because he was sentenced to life in prison as a juvenile. We talk about his growth, successes, insights, and extreme sincerity as a human being as he approaches release after 28 years in prison.
Episode 3: Roy Rogers - interview from prison about his successes and insights
Apr 29, 2021
35:52
This week we talk to Roy Rogers. Roy is what’s known as a j-lifer because he was sentenced to life in prison as a juvenile. We talk about his growth, successes, insights, and extreme sincerity as a human being as he approaches release after 28 years in prison.

Episode 2: Jean Delonget - interview from prison about his success and insights
Apr 22, 2021
35:46

This week we talk to Jean Delonget, who has achieved numerous things while serving a 26 year sentence in the Wisconsin prison system for robbing someone with a BB gun. That’s right, a BB gun. And check out some of his work here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/QJUkbNywT9b8vkss8
Episode 2: Jean Delonget - interview from prison about his success and insights
Apr 22, 2021
35:46
This week we talk to Jean Delonget, who has achieved numerous things while serving a 26 year sentence in the Wisconsin prison system for robbing someone with a BB gun. That’s right, a BB gun. And check out some of his work here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/QJUkbNywT9b8vkss8

Episode 1: National interest in reentry/reform/decarceration efforts in Wisconsin
Apr 1, 2021
16:54

Scott Budnick, the producer and financier of Just Mercy (and the director of the Hangover) speaks about the national interest coming to fuel reentry/reform/decarceration efforts in Wisconsin very soon.
Episode 1: National interest in reentry/reform/decarceration efforts in Wisconsin
Apr 1, 2021
16:54
Scott Budnick, the producer and financier of Just Mercy (and the director of the Hangover) speaks about the national interest coming to fuel reentry/reform/decarceration efforts in Wisconsin very soon.

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