All In All Out Podcast

All In All Out Podcast

Expert interviews, success, stories, and policy discussions

Season 2

Season 2

Episode 10: The Ostara Initiative talks about prison birth work across the country

Sep 10, 2024

67:38

Erica Gerrity and Shanita Lawrence joined Shannon to talk about experiences giving birth in prison; designing and managing a prison doula program that now operates in Minnesota, Alabama, Oregon, the federal system, and soon Wisconsin.

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Episode 10: The Ostara Initiative talks about prison birth work across the country

Sep 10, 2024

67:38

Erica Gerrity and Shanita Lawrence joined Shannon to talk about experiences giving birth in prison; designing and managing a prison doula program that now operates in Minnesota, Alabama, Oregon, the federal system, and soon Wisconsin.

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Episode 9: Kyle Ashley Talks About the Art and Science of Collaboration

Aug 27, 2024

60:42

Kyle Ashley shares key lessons on collaboration, leadership, and why strong communities require a justice system that truly lives up to its name.

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Episode 9: Kyle Ashley Talks About the Art and Science of Collaboration

Aug 27, 2024

60:42

Kyle Ashley shares key lessons on collaboration, leadership, and why strong communities require a justice system that truly lives up to its name.

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Episode 8: Cecelia Klingele breaks down the criminal legal system in WI

Jul 30, 2024

94:31

Cecelia Klingele and Shannon discuss Truth in Sentencing, the difficulty of focusing on crimeless revocation, the fact that incarceration promotes the exact opposite of what’s needed to succeed upon release, and more.

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Episode 8: Cecelia Klingele breaks down the criminal legal system in WI

Jul 30, 2024

94:31

Cecelia Klingele and Shannon discuss Truth in Sentencing, the difficulty of focusing on crimeless revocation, the fact that incarceration promotes the exact opposite of what’s needed to succeed upon release, and more.

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Episode 7: State Representatives Talk Criminal Legal System Reform in Wisconsin

Jul 15, 2024

44:15

Now former state representatives Evan Goyke and Dora Drake talk with Shannon about strategies, experiences, and hopes around criminal legal system reform in Wisconsin.

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Episode 7: State Representatives Talk Criminal Legal System Reform in Wisconsin

Jul 15, 2024

44:15

Now former state representatives Evan Goyke and Dora Drake talk with Shannon about strategies, experiences, and hopes around criminal legal system reform in Wisconsin.

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Episode 6: Shannon talks agnostic/atheist formerly incarcerated success stories with Dominee & Matthew

Jul 2, 2024

66:52

Dominee Meek and Matthew Wick exchange stories about all of their journeys through over 60 years in the system without believing in god: what they learned, how it limited their path, and how it impacts their reentry journey.

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Episode 6: Shannon talks agnostic/atheist formerly incarcerated success stories with Dominee & Matthew

Jul 2, 2024

66:52

Dominee Meek and Matthew Wick exchange stories about all of their journeys through over 60 years in the system without believing in god: what they learned, how it limited their path, and how it impacts their reentry journey.

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Episode 5: Ruben Gaona Talks Home Ownership & Entrepreneurship Post Incarceration

Jun 18, 2024

50:25

Shannon talks with Ruben Gaona about the pros and cons of entrepreneurship versus employment and rental versus homeownership for people with criminal records, particularly those still on “paper.”

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Episode 5: Ruben Gaona Talks Home Ownership & Entrepreneurship Post Incarceration

Jun 18, 2024

50:25

Shannon talks with Ruben Gaona about the pros and cons of entrepreneurship versus employment and rental versus homeownership for people with criminal records, particularly those still on “paper.”

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Episode 4: Simmone Kilgore Talks “Second Chance” Language and How to Carry Shame

Jun 4, 2024

38:58

Simmone Kilgore LPC, an experienced trauma therapist talks with Shannon about "Second Chance" language, shame, and her career. She knows incarceration closely in her family.

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Episode 4: Simmone Kilgore Talks “Second Chance” Language and How to Carry Shame

Jun 4, 2024

38:58

Simmone Kilgore LPC, an experienced trauma therapist talks with Shannon about "Second Chance" language, shame, and her career. She knows incarceration closely in her family.

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Episode 3: Kaleigh Atkinson & Shannon Talk Correcting the Narrative

May 21, 2024

39:31

Narrative work is foundational in not only the criminal legal system but in life overall. Kaleigh Atkinson and Shannon discuss the origins of the Correcting the Narrative campaign, how it has evolved over time, what they have learned, and where it is going next.

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Episode 3: Kaleigh Atkinson & Shannon Talk Correcting the Narrative

May 21, 2024

39:31

Narrative work is foundational in not only the criminal legal system but in life overall. Kaleigh Atkinson and Shannon discuss the origins of the Correcting the Narrative campaign, how it has evolved over time, what they have learned, and where it is going next.

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Episode 2: Janos Marton Talks Reform & Abolition with Shannon

May 7, 2024

39:58

Janos Marton and I discuss reform vs. abolition. He’s a civil rights lawyer and Dream.Org’s Advocacy Chief, known for leading #CLOSErikers and bold justice reforms.

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Episode 2: Janos Marton Talks Reform & Abolition with Shannon

May 7, 2024

39:58

Janos Marton and I discuss reform vs. abolition. He’s a civil rights lawyer and Dream.Org’s Advocacy Chief, known for leading #CLOSErikers and bold justice reforms.

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Episode 1: Adam Procell and Shannon Ross go to Belize

Apr 23, 2024

63:18

What started out as an exploration of the possibilities of traveling while on paper (extended supervision) ultimately turned into a legitimate research project ending with Adam Procell and Shannon Ross traveling to the only non-profit prison in the world located in Belize.

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Episode 1: Adam Procell and Shannon Ross go to Belize

Apr 23, 2024

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What started out as an exploration of the possibilities of traveling while on paper (extended supervision) ultimately turned into a legitimate research project ending with Adam Procell and Shannon Ross traveling to the only non-profit prison in the world located in Belize.

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Season 1

Season 1

Episode 13: Marlon Chamberlain - what does it mean to be fully free upon release

Feb 10, 2022

46:37

Marlon has an established track record of creating effective coalitions, including passing the largest sealing expansion law in the United States and leading a voter registration campaign, which registered over 1,000 people with records to vote.

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Episode 13: Marlon Chamberlain - what does it mean to be fully free upon release

Feb 10, 2022

46:37

Marlon has an established track record of creating effective coalitions, including passing the largest sealing expansion law in the United States and leading a voter registration campaign, which registered over 1,000 people with records to vote.

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Episode 12: Guy Hamilton-Smith - Why the sex offender registry makes us less safe and the "carve out" mentality (selective empathy) makes us hypocrites

Feb 1, 2022

45:22

Guy Hamilton-Smith is a 2019 JustLeadershipUSA fellow, civil rights activist, and writer. Most recently, he was the legal fellow at the Sex Offense Litigation and Policy Resource Center at the Mitchell Hamline School of law where his work focused on civil rights litigation.

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Episode 12: Guy Hamilton-Smith - Why the sex offender registry makes us less safe and the "carve out" mentality (selective empathy) makes us hypocrites

Feb 1, 2022

45:22

Guy Hamilton-Smith is a 2019 JustLeadershipUSA fellow, civil rights activist, and writer. Most recently, he was the legal fellow at the Sex Offense Litigation and Policy Resource Center at the Mitchell Hamline School of law where his work focused on civil rights litigation.

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Episode 11: Artie Gonzales - Lessons from a Lifer: a rising humanizer in Hollywood

Nov 3, 2021

52:39

Artie Gonzales went from a life sentence, including 8 straight years at the infamous Pelican Bay super max, to now a member of big Hollywood productions and a rising star in the movement to correct the narrative about people with criminal records via media and entertainment.

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Episode 11: Artie Gonzales - Lessons from a Lifer: a rising humanizer in Hollywood

Nov 3, 2021

52:39

Artie Gonzales went from a life sentence, including 8 straight years at the infamous Pelican Bay super max, to now a member of big Hollywood productions and a rising star in the movement to correct the narrative about people with criminal records via media and entertainment.

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Episode 10: Brian Koehn - a prison warden for 28 years explains why he is investing his life savings to correct corrections

Oct 27, 2021

51:28

Brian Koehn spent 28 years in the private prison industry with a reputation as a "fixer." But during his career, he become more and more disillusioned with the destructiveness and waste of the system, leading to a 180 degree turn in his career toward humanizing and helping.

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Episode 10: Brian Koehn - a prison warden for 28 years explains why he is investing his life savings to correct corrections

Oct 27, 2021

51:28

Brian Koehn spent 28 years in the private prison industry with a reputation as a "fixer." But during his career, he become more and more disillusioned with the destructiveness and waste of the system, leading to a 180 degree turn in his career toward humanizing and helping.

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Episode 9: Dialo Orr - A 100+ year sentence and one of the best humans you will ever meet

Jul 9, 2021

44:15

Dialo Orr has been incarcerated for 25 years on a 100+ year sentence. His journey from angry and lost, to sick and tired, to mighty healer is just one example of the grace and human beauty we neglect and disincentivize in jails in prisons.

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Episode 9: Dialo Orr - A 100+ year sentence and one of the best humans you will ever meet

Jul 9, 2021

44:15

Dialo Orr has been incarcerated for 25 years on a 100+ year sentence. His journey from angry and lost, to sick and tired, to mighty healer is just one example of the grace and human beauty we neglect and disincentivize in jails in prisons.

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Episode 8: Janos Marton, the National Director of Dream Corps JUSTICE, discusses the nuances of reform vs abolition

Jul 1, 2021

38:56

As an experienced civil rights lawyer and long-time humanizer, Janos Marton is an influential and respected leader in safety and justice work nationally. This discussion on reform and abolition is an excellent way to better understand the complexity of the issue.

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Episode 8: Janos Marton, the National Director of Dream Corps JUSTICE, discusses the nuances of reform vs abolition

Jul 1, 2021

38:56

As an experienced civil rights lawyer and long-time humanizer, Janos Marton is an influential and respected leader in safety and justice work nationally. This discussion on reform and abolition is an excellent way to better understand the complexity of the issue.

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Episode 7: David Carlson discusses decarceration efforts in Eau Claire and his new holistic treatment operation We Adapt

Jun 24, 2021

43:14

David Carlson fought in the military, spent time in prison, and has significant experience as a humanizer in the reentry/reform/decarceration work with the ACLU in Eau Claire. His background and experience led to some powerful commentary during our conversation.

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Episode 7: David Carlson discusses decarceration efforts in Eau Claire and his new holistic treatment operation We Adapt

Jun 24, 2021

43:14

David Carlson fought in the military, spent time in prison, and has significant experience as a humanizer in the reentry/reform/decarceration work with the ACLU in Eau Claire. His background and experience led to some powerful commentary during our conversation.

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Episode 6: Dawn and Carmen are two shining examples of collaboration in Wisconsin

May 27, 2021

37:44

Dawn Barnett of Running Rebels and Carmen Pitre of Sojourner Truth House are shining examples of the self-awareness, commitment, and power of collaboration. They share fantastic stories and insights about giving up control and sharing the spotlight for the larger purpose.

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Episode 6: Dawn and Carmen are two shining examples of collaboration in Wisconsin

May 27, 2021

37:44

Dawn Barnett of Running Rebels and Carmen Pitre of Sojourner Truth House are shining examples of the self-awareness, commitment, and power of collaboration. They share fantastic stories and insights about giving up control and sharing the spotlight for the larger purpose.

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Episode 5: Dr. Darren Wheelock on why recidivism stats are very misleading or flawed

May 20, 2021

42:14

Dr. Darren Wheelock is, among other things, a criminal justice professor at Marquette University who has studied recidivism for a number of years. We spoke about the way this widely accepted barometer of success or failure is misleading to say the least.

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Episode 5: Dr. Darren Wheelock on why recidivism stats are very misleading or flawed

May 20, 2021

42:14

Dr. Darren Wheelock is, among other things, a criminal justice professor at Marquette University who has studied recidivism for a number of years. We spoke about the way this widely accepted barometer of success or failure is misleading to say the least.

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Episode 4: Daniel Forkkio, the CEO of Represent Justice on the power of correcting the narrative

May 13, 2021

34:18

Daniel Forkkio is the CEO of Represent Justice, whose mission is to turn stories into action to change the justice system, while building the capacity of system-impacted communities.

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Episode 4: Daniel Forkkio, the CEO of Represent Justice on the power of correcting the narrative

May 13, 2021

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Daniel Forkkio is the CEO of Represent Justice, whose mission is to turn stories into action to change the justice system, while building the capacity of system-impacted communities.

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Episode 3: Roy Rogers - interview from prison about his successes and insights

Apr 29, 2021

35:52

This week we talk to Roy Rogers. Roy is what’s known as a j-lifer because he was sentenced to life in prison as a juvenile. We talk about his growth, successes, insights, and extreme sincerity as a human being as he approaches release after 28 years in prison.

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Episode 3: Roy Rogers - interview from prison about his successes and insights

Apr 29, 2021

35:52

This week we talk to Roy Rogers. Roy is what’s known as a j-lifer because he was sentenced to life in prison as a juvenile. We talk about his growth, successes, insights, and extreme sincerity as a human being as he approaches release after 28 years in prison.

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Episode 2: Jean Delonget - interview from prison about his success and insights

Apr 22, 2021

35:46

This week we talk to Jean Delonget, who has achieved numerous things while serving a 26 year sentence in the Wisconsin prison system for robbing someone with a BB gun. That’s right, a BB gun. And check out some of his work here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/QJUkbNywT9b8vkss8

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Episode 2: Jean Delonget - interview from prison about his success and insights

Apr 22, 2021

35:46

This week we talk to Jean Delonget, who has achieved numerous things while serving a 26 year sentence in the Wisconsin prison system for robbing someone with a BB gun. That’s right, a BB gun. And check out some of his work here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/QJUkbNywT9b8vkss8

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Episode 1: National interest in reentry/reform/decarceration efforts in Wisconsin

Apr 1, 2021

16:54

Scott Budnick, the producer and financier of Just Mercy (and the director of the Hangover) speaks about the national interest coming to fuel reentry/reform/decarceration efforts in Wisconsin very soon.

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Episode 1: National interest in reentry/reform/decarceration efforts in Wisconsin

Apr 1, 2021

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Scott Budnick, the producer and financier of Just Mercy (and the director of the Hangover) speaks about the national interest coming to fuel reentry/reform/decarceration efforts in Wisconsin very soon.

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